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Journal of No. 118


January 26th, 2013

The Republicans make schools a battleground @ 07:45 am


This is not about guns, silly.

Two news stories just hit my eyes in short order, and everyone knows that two things make a trend.

First up, an Indiana state senator introduces a bill that calls for a mandatory reading of the Lord's Prayer at the beginning of every public school day. Unconstitutional on the face of it, so this is not likely to go anywhere, but shouldn't our law-critters know that?

Whereas in Arizona, a whole passel of Republican lawmakers have called for a loyalty oath as a requirement to graduation:
I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose or evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; so help me God.

I'm a little curious how freely students can take this obligation, when it is a requirement for a diploma. And that little appendix could cause some problems.
 
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From:britgeekgrrl
Date:January 26th, 2013 05:33 pm (UTC)
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Whoa...

I thought the Founding Fathers had put in some precautions *against* mandatory loyalty oaths?

That text is, iirc, very close to the oath I swore to become a US citizen. I admit, I wasn't happy about the God bit, either, but I needed me that passport - just like kids need that diploma. *sigh*

Edited at 2013-01-26 05:34 pm (UTC)
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From:essentialsaltes
Date:January 26th, 2013 05:50 pm (UTC)
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The Founders made sure that no religious tests could be made to hold public office, and the Presidential Oath of Office in the Constitution doesn't have any gods in it.

I had to sign a similar loyalty oath when I worked for the State of California, though the oath is godless.

It's a drag that the Naturalization oath is fully godded, though the document they refer to there says...

If you are unable or unwilling to take the oath with the words “on oath” and “so help me God” included, you must notify USCIS that you wish to take a modified Oath of Allegiance. Applicants are not required to provide any evidence or testimony to support a request for this type of modification. See 8 CFR 337.1(b).


Also, "If you have any hereditary titles or positions of nobility, you must renounce at the oath ceremony."
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From:britgeekgrrl
Date:January 28th, 2013 06:33 pm (UTC)
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I vaguely remember reading that but decided that I didn't want to cause ANY kind of fuss about my swearing in. Besides, as I was in a room with 2000 other folks being sworn in, I don't think anyone noticed my 'accidental' omission. ;)
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From:ian_tiberius
Date:January 27th, 2013 04:36 am (UTC)
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Unconstitutional on the face of it, so this is not likely to go anywhere, but shouldn't our law-critters know that?

They know. They're just showing off for the rubes.

Journal of No. 118